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17 March 2009 @ 01:38 pm
Memento mori: Barney Stinson  
Dang, HOW long has it been since I've done a HIMYM theory?

Anyway, here's my latest, partly inspired by the latest episode, but also an idea I've had for a while, and I've just got to get it out now:

I think that Barney Stinson is dead in the future.


1. He's the only one who's made any sort of plans for once he's dead. "Going out of this world the same way I came into it: buck naked. Open bar for the dudes, open casket for the ladies." Lily and Marshall (okay, mainly Marshall) have also made plans for their death when they write their death folders, but they seem far less concrete than Barney's: Marshall is mainly concerned about reassuring Lily, and Lily certainly doesn't take them seriously at all. Barney may have had some odd requests for his funeral, but he seemed to take them seriously, and they're very specific.

2. He's never shown up in a future scene. Lily and Marshall have both been shown up to at least 2029; and while Robin's never been in an actual future scene (other than Lily's fantasy porch scene where she's married to Ted), her relationship to Ted's kids has been shown through crayon drawings.

3. The way Ted talks about him to his kids, it's like they haven't met him. For instance: "The thing you have to understand about your uncle Barney is this: when times are bad, it's impossible to keep him around." (2.19, Bachelor Party) He doesn't do this with any of the others, because clearly the kids have already had some sort of contact with everyone else.
3a. And is it me, or does he talk about Barney in past tense, when everyone else is present tense? For instance, 1.3: "I had no idea why I hung out with Barney" is a general statement that could easily work in present tense, if it was still true. Compare with 1.15: "Kids, something you might not know about your Uncle Marshall is that he's always been good at games."

4. Lily didn't include him in her front porch scene. There's already been some speculation about why this is, if Lily doesn't think he'd want to play bridge with them because it's not "awesome," or if she thinks he and Robin will be hooking up in a closet somewhere. But why'd she consciously exclude him, if that front porch fantasy is such a big deal to her, so much so that she won't let any subpar girlfriend of Ted's be a part of it, even hypothetically? Lily and Barney are close friends; right now, he's probably closer with her than he is with anyone.

5. Ted has a line about him "sleeping in a coffin." (4.17)

6. His over-the-top, larger-than-life personality could be future Ted compensating for the fact that his friend's dead now. Remembering him as alive and vibrant might help him ease the pain that Barney's gone. Don't forget that all the events in HIMYM have to be viewed through the Saget!Ted filter; he's already been proven to be an unreliable narrator in other aspects.
6a. Also, Ted has to be telling his kids this story for a reason, and it's not because they don't already know how he and their mom met. (He's already said, "You know the short version of the story, the thing with your mom's yellow umbrella... but there's a bigger story, the story of who I had to become before I could meet her." (3.01)) Could it be so they know about who Barney was as a person? He was clearly important to Ted, and during season 3 (which the above line kicks off) he and Ted were wingmen and made Ted into someone he knew he had to change from before he'd be ready to settle down. (After the St. Patrick's day episode, he says "Your mom was at the party, but I'm glad I didn't meet her then... I don't think she would have liked me much." He still had to change into Bob Saget before he could meet her. Or something.)

7. He's often dressed in dark colors, sometimes even a black shirt with a black suit and a black tie. Black is a color of mourning.

8. When he's sleeping in his suit-jamas, he's eerily still... almost death-like. (Thanks, idioticonion!) See cap:


9. Suits are very somber attire; they're worn in places other than funerals (like at the office and such), but they're generally too formal to be considered "happy" attire.

10: This exchange from Sweet Taste of Liberty:
Ted: Barney, I'm going to KILL you.
Barney: Don't say you're going to kill someone in front of airport security... not cool!
(This is not to suggest that Ted's going to kill Barney. But there was a similar exchange between Harry and Malfoy in Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, where Malfoy tells Harry, "You're dead, Potter." Many HP fans have taken this as foreshadowing of Harry's death in Deathly Hallows.)

11: Barney's religious views have been most touched on of all the characters: he's the only character to have been shown in a church or praying at all, and in We're Not From Here he says "I dare God to smite down this perfectly healthy [man]" when talking about Marshall. He is also well-acquainted with the Bible enough to know that the "Love is patient, love is kind" verse is from 1 Corinthians (2.22). Could his underlying (and very very well-hidden) religious beliefs be foreshadowing?

12. Barney's often told Ted to use a carpe diem attitude to help himself get laid. See Third Wheel (telling girls about the supervolcano for the mortality angle, "don't postpone joy") and No Tomorrow (the episode's entire premise is that they could die tomorrow, so they should live for today).

13. The fake suicide scenes from Wait For It: shooting himself in the head, hanging himself, and...




Thoughts? More evidence, for or against? Because I kind of want to be proven wrong on this one.
 
 
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idioticonion: HIMYM Barney deadbedidioticonion on March 17th, 2009 06:39 pm (UTC)
Right, firstly, your tagging is genius.

Secondly, just the whole post is genius. I often rewatch episodes so if I see anything else then I'll add it to here. Plus, this is totally going in my "greatest of all time" list.

Oh, and the bit when he's sleeping in bed in his suitjammas makes him look creepy - it's a very death-like stillness, you know? Icon!
Phoenix: true storyda_phoenix13 on March 17th, 2009 06:45 pm (UTC)
Oh, you're right, it so is! Totally eerie. That's going on the list. Any other evidence you can think of? I'm wracking my brains to try and remember if anyone (maybe Marshall?) has said "you're dead" or threatened to kill him--

OMG the scene in the airport.

Ted: Barney, I'm going to kill you!
Barney: Don't say you're going to kill someone in front of airport security... not cool!

Yes?
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idioticonion: HIMYM Barney RIPidioticonion on March 17th, 2009 07:25 pm (UTC)
You need to put the college reunion there! Just one more future scenario without Barney!

>but I figured he'd moved or something.

God, that's so depressing!

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☆ you are jeff.: tv ♥ himym (barney && beer)backtograce on March 17th, 2009 08:19 pm (UTC)
As much as I hate the idea, these are all good, supportive reasons to believe this. I have yet to see the newest episode, though, so idl.

I love Barney and I hope he doesn't get killed off during the years that the show spans.
Phoenix: depressing shotda_phoenix13 on March 17th, 2009 08:24 pm (UTC)
I kind of hope it's not true, too, but... there's lots of evidence pointing that way.

And I don't think they'd ever kill him off on the show itself. He's the most popular character. Maybe he dies sometime after the show's run... idk.
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cocktail in her hand, confetti in her hair: barneyrobin2009starbucksweetie on March 17th, 2009 08:23 pm (UTC)
I always like reading your theories.
Phoenix: wedding dressda_phoenix13 on March 17th, 2009 08:25 pm (UTC)
Thanks! =)
klutzy_girlklutzy_girl on March 17th, 2009 08:43 pm (UTC)
Now you've depressed me. I don't want Dead!Barney. I'm going to go off and pretend he and Robin are off making out on the beach (or more) during the front porch scenes.
Phoenix: depressing shotda_phoenix13 on March 17th, 2009 09:05 pm (UTC)
Sorry!! If it helps, I'm depressing myself as well with this theory.

And I *would* rather believe that they're hooking up in a closet or something, but... I just can't. I'm not one who embraces denial very easily. ;)
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Oh, you know: HIMYM - Solemn Five8m57w6 on March 17th, 2009 08:54 pm (UTC)
Oh!! This made me very much sad!!! I can't imagine future!everyone without Barney!! A lot of your evidence makes a lot of sense, though, but I refuse to believe it!!!

In regards to specifically the porch scenes, well, Lily first came up with that idea when they were in college. She didn't know Barney at the time, so of course he wouldn't be there. She has probably just carried around the same scene since they met Barney. Plus, Bridge is a 4 player game. ;)
Phoenixda_phoenix13 on March 17th, 2009 09:11 pm (UTC)
But Lily keeps going back to the porch idea even after college (reimagining it with different girls, including Robin and presumably Stella and Victoria), so why shouldn't she add Barney to that picture as well?

Though I didn't know bridge was a 4-player game... hmm. Who says they had to be playing Bridge? And for that matter, why wasn't Barney somehow visible there, maybe walking past when married!Ted!and!Robin were bickering and making a snide remark, or something? That could have been funny. But they didn't even mention him.
the devil in the details: himym || ted ted right here tedvestigialwords on March 17th, 2009 08:55 pm (UTC)
I linked over here from barney_robin, little did I know that it would insight a riot of himym scenes in my head.

Could Saget!Ted's referring to Barney in the past tense/as if they never met Barney because... well, by this point, awesome!Barney has become Uncle Barney. Maybe he kept that side of his persona either in the past because he's moved on and is in a not-relationship with Robin, or hidden from the kids, (because obviously, the way he does behave is often inappropriate around other adults, let alone children), So Ted has to explain to the kids "this is who your Uncle Barney is/was..."

True, I know that there have been no concrete acknowledgments that the kids have even met Barney, and I stand here with no evidence, but I like these rose-tinted glasses, dammit!
Mukul DhariwalMukul Dhariwal on December 6th, 2013 07:37 pm (UTC)
What about in the episode "last cigarette ever" ted says barneys last
cigarette was march 2017 , this could also mean that he died in 2017 but it seems unlikely that if someone's dead they about it as if it was their last cigarette so i guess this could be a point to look at too.
Aunt_Rackiefreakykins on March 17th, 2009 08:55 pm (UTC)
whoa whoa whoa! This is making my brain do weird things! I don't even... know... whoa. That's wack but kinda interesting... whoa. Cool theory!
Tally: BROTP!musical_junkie on March 17th, 2009 08:56 pm (UTC)
I think this could also mean that the creators have something big planned for Barney's future that might be revealed if he were to be shown in the flash-forwards.
Plus, it's very hard to picture an aged Barney (besides, of course, when he was wearing his old-man make-up), but I think Barney might revert to pre-suit Barney or something in the future. Maybe he settles down (with Robin) or whatever.

But you do bring up some extremely valid points...although, so did all the "Paul is Dead" theorists in the 60s/70s.
we'll one day dock at the same port: mother ● barney/robin + you're theoktoberskies on March 17th, 2009 09:04 pm (UTC)
:( This is so depressing. I really hope this isn't true but it's a pretty amazing theory. There have actually been a few times I've wandered if he died but quickly put it out of my mind.
(no longer) twentysomething: himym: brotpkribistibin on March 17th, 2009 09:36 pm (UTC)
Okay, I feel like I'm always the one who comes in and argues with your points as if I'm trying to be contrary. I'm not so much purposefully contrary, but I do disagree with this idea. Just so that's clear. :D

I think you have two valid points: Barney has never shown up in a future scene, and Lily didn't include him in her front porch fantasy. Well, maybe three points, if you include Barney's over-the-top personality. That's interesting, although I don't think it's one of those "this, therefore that" arguments. (I'm sure there's a fancy term for it, but you know what I mean.)

Wearing dark colors, making plans for post-death, somber attire, religious views, carpe diem, utterances of "I'm going to kill you," and mock suicides... That means a lot of people I know are going to die early deaths. heh.

Remember that Ted is Barney's best friend, but Ted's best friend is Marshall. And it's been the three of them (Marshall, Lily, and Ted) for so long. So it makes sense for them to attend their reunion together, and it makes sense to show Marshall and Lily married in the future (with that headline about Nessie, hee).

Lily's front porch idea is only in her imagination, period. I don't think it matters that Barney wasn't there. I think her front porch fantasy is purely about Ted's future girlfriend/wife, and whether this gal will fit in with the couple-y dynamic she and Marshall have. Didn't Lily and Marshall, at least temporarily, become "that couple" who pressures their single friend to get married so they can double date (and play bridge when they're all old)?

Plus, I've got to assume that Barney is alive until at least 2020 or so, because the kids know him as Uncle Barney. It would be strange--although not completely implausible--for Ted to introduce his friend through just pictures and/or video as their "uncle."

Any stuff Barney does in the future could currently be considered spoilers by the writers, anyway. Like, maybe Barney does end up with Robin--but you can't exactly blurt that out, even if Ted's kids already know, because the audience doesn't know. Technically, the writers have shown so little of the actual future that it's hard to make judgments based on what we've seen, you know? Yikes, I hope this paragraph made sense.

As usual, I like reading your theories. It's nice to talk about HIMYM with fellow enthusiasts. :)
Phoenixda_phoenix13 on March 17th, 2009 10:03 pm (UTC)
Oh, please disagree with me! I was hoping someone'd come in and prove me wrong... it's always more fun that way. (Though not just for the sake of being contrary, and I don't believe you are.) Plus, I was really hoping for someone to come up with a good counterargument for this one. =(

>Wearing dark colors, making plans for post-death, somber attire, religious views, carpe diem, utterances of "I'm going to kill you," and mock suicides... That means a lot of people I know are going to die early deaths. heh.

Yeah, but keep in mind that this *is* a work of fiction, which means that all those little details could very well be instances of foreshadowing. Again with HP examples: there were a lot of seemingly-innocent details about Sirius that ended up being taken as foreshadowing for his death, like the description of his house as the house of a dying man, his being mistaken for the Grim in dog form, the last name of Black, etc. Sure, people who follow that kind of behavior in real life aren't marked for an early death, but things like that in works of fiction tend to be a bit more significant.

>Lily's front porch idea is only in her imagination, period. I don't think it matters that Barney wasn't there. I think her front porch fantasy is purely about Ted's future girlfriend/wife, and whether this gal will fit in with the couple-y dynamic she and Marshall have. Didn't Lily and Marshall, at least temporarily, become "that couple" who pressures their single friend to get married so they can double date (and play bridge when they're all old)?

I think the pressure was only from Ted, and not so much from Lily or Marshall. (Like, he didn't want to get left behind.) But I just think it's odd that Lily considers Robin to be her "best friend", and yet doesn't think of how Ted's future wife will get along with Robin. The group's larger than just the three of them nowadays, even if it did just start out like that in college. If she can rework her fantasy to have different girls standing in for Ted's wife, I think she'd be able to squeeze Barney (and Robin) in there somewhere too.

>It would be strange--although not completely implausible--for Ted to introduce his friend through just pictures and/or video as their "uncle."

I said in an earlier comment to someone else that we still refer to my dad's brother (who died when he was five, long before I was born) as our uncle. And Ted does consider Barney to be his brother.

>Any stuff Barney does in the future could currently be considered spoilers by the writers, anyway.

Which is what I'm sincerely hoping is the case. =) I've been feeling very morbid lately and, contrary to the thesis of this post, really REALLY hope Barney isn't dead. But my mind's been there for a while... probably because I'm writing this fic where Barney's been killed in 2030, and I'm handling the way everyone reacts to that.

Thanks! I can never talk enough HIMYM. =)
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Across The Sky: Movie - Watchmen / Comedian Darkwalkwiththedead on March 17th, 2009 09:42 pm (UTC)
Lily wouldn't know Barney was going to die and her front porch fantasy was just a fantasy, not an actual flash forward... so I don't think that indicates anything about Barney being dead cause Lily wouldn't know he was dead and not to include him in the fantasy. Hope that makes sense.
Phoenixda_phoenix13 on March 17th, 2009 09:49 pm (UTC)
I know it isn't actually a flash-forward, I'm just confused as to why she wouldn't include him in her fantasy. It kind of makes me think that maybe she doesn't think he's going to live as long as the rest of them... he does smoke and drink pretty heavily and doesn't really care about the state his body's in (other than on the outside). I heard someone say somewhere that Barney's not really the type to die of old age. I don't really know how that porch scene fits into this... all I know is that his absence bothers me.
mademoiselle: hp: i ache for you.deuxcoeurs on March 17th, 2009 09:58 pm (UTC)
This actually makes my heart hurt. :( Good theories, though!
-: himym // swarley // toastsinspire on March 17th, 2009 11:25 pm (UTC)
A few counter arguments. I do always love your theories, and especially how you take seemingly far-fetched ideas and make them seem completely plausible. But here's my opinion:

- I think that when it comes down to it, HIMYM just isn't the kind of show that's going to kill off a main character. It's a show that's main attraction is its fantastic humor. It is partially for this reason that that they've been dancing around Barney/Robin so cautiously; they want to bring Barney's character to a new level, while at the same time have him maintain his hilarious personality quirks. Killing off such a major character would add a strong depressing vibe to the show, no matter how it is handled.

- Lily did not include Barney in her front porch scene because she does not consider him to be a lifetime friend like she does with Ted. Notice how Robin is only included if she were to end up with Ted, even though she and Lily are best friends. The Front Porch Test is something Lily has been doing since college, and therefore only applies to her college friends, Marshall and Ted.

- Both Barney AND Robin have failed to show up in a future scene, perhaps to avoid revealing the fact that they have somehow changed or maybe even become married over the years. (A bit of wishful thinking on my part, but it's hard to ignore.) Also, it may be just because Barney has already appeared in old man make up during his younger years, and therefore the old make up that NPH must wear in any future scenes will have to be more believable than that.

- Barney's association with death via dark colors and suits could just be attributed to the fact that he is the darkest character in the show, as has been shown by his actions related to girls and work. He's always been portrayed as the kind of person you would never like, and yet end up loving anyway.

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roland44roland44 on March 18th, 2009 04:00 am (UTC)
I totally agree with all your counter arguments, especially this one : The Front Porch Test is something Lily has been doing since college, and therefore only applies to her college friends, Marshall and Ted.

If Barney's not being in the porch scene is unacceptable how come noone else is bothered that Robin wasn't in it either, except as Ted's wife?
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Ash!webofglass on March 18th, 2009 12:33 am (UTC)
I REALLY think that you are reaching with 7-10 and 13, but other than that these are really good arguments, and I can see your point.
The Cheertator: himym brotp kissdionneshea on March 18th, 2009 01:29 am (UTC)
Coming here from the barneyrobin community.

I appreciate that you put a lot of thought into this. That said, wow do I disagree.

Going point-by-point:
1. I think if we're comparing, that Lily and Marshall's plans are way more concrete. Barney just wants to be naked. I'm guessing that Lily and Marshall have actual funeral arrangements planned.
2. Neither has Robin, except for pictures from when the kids were very young. So, if it's proof that Barney's dead then the same goes for Robin. That being said, there hasn't been any situation where they would be there in the future so I don't think it proves anything.
3. The first part of point three disproves the second part because he's talking about Barney in the present tense there.
4. Lily's been doing this since she and Marshall got together. When she thinks of a bridge foursome, she's going to include Marshall's best friend and his wife, not anyone else.
5. I think both 5 and 8 are to actually highlight Barney's more superhuman qualities. Making him an immortal, not a dead guy.
6. Stories always get bigger when you're older. It's not limited to Barney either. Did Robin really fly the bike? Did Lily really eat that many hot dogs? Is Marshall really that good of a fighter? It's likely all been embellished.
7. So does Ted. I don't think he's dying.
8. See point 5.
9. Suits are also the male outfit that ups every dude's hot quotient by ten points. And Barney connects suits with joy, not death.
10. and 13. I don't really have counter arguments to those, mainly because I think both are really stretching.
11. I don't think we can call him praying that he's not a dad, and daring God to smite him, 'religious views'. And his knowing the "love is" passage just proves he's been to a wedding or two. Which, of course, because that's easy pickings for sad young women.
12. Seriously, I just think that's good manipulation. Not foreshadowing at all. It's a classic pick-up strategy. I'd be sad if he didn't use it.

I think you may be over-thinking this. I hope you don't mind me arguing, and I do like how you've compiled things, but I think you're reaching a little.
dozmuffinxc: pipe-bombdozmuffinxc on March 18th, 2009 03:22 am (UTC)
Your icon is sheer brilliance in a bag. A burlap bag, with a fancy pink zipper sewn in.

I can't say anything on the Barney front, but the fact that you've made this analysis is freaking hard core. Serious business.

:)
Phoenix: so deadda_phoenix13 on March 18th, 2009 03:51 am (UTC)
This icon is pretty much my new favorite thing. And it makes me super sad that no one knows where it's from. =P

And thanks! Yes, I am super hardcore. I've done a couple of HIMYM analyses in the past too. Because I loves the show that much. =D
Jamie: so they sayjamie55 on March 18th, 2009 12:52 pm (UTC)
>But there was a similar exchange between Harry and Malfoy in Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, where Malfoy tells Harry, "You're dead, Potter." Many HP fans have taken this as foreshadowing of Harry's death in Deathly Hallows
HARRY POTTER DIES!???!!
*only read the first 5 books*

ignoring that spoiler, I hope your wrong. But you make a very very good point and it has come to mind before.. Mostly because Future!Ted never talks about him...

But then why did they have Barney dress up as an old man in 2008?
...
oh maybe that's as close to old age as Barney ever gonna get... *sad*
*snuggles pillow for comfort*
"I don't want Barney to die!"

Note:
Although Barney does have awesome expressions, they could probaby be seen as some sort of foreshadowing also.. How he's always saying "true story" - because how else would the kids know it was? Plus, to be honest 'totally' and 'awesome' and other suc expressions were.. well old. Damn I hope your wrong..
Phoenix: true storyda_phoenix13 on March 18th, 2009 01:07 pm (UTC)
>HARRY POTTER DIES!???!!

Haha, don't worry, he gets better. Sorry for the spoiler though... I guess I kind of assumed it was common knowledge since the book came out almost two years ago.

The old man thing came to my mind too, also because of an example in another fandom (which I won't explicitly say, because I don't want to give out any more spoilers), but I wasn't sure that was concrete enough to put on the list.

I hope I'm wrong, too. But my mind's gone to a weird place. Blame Joss Whedon.

*hugs*
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princessroxxiepancakes156 on March 19th, 2009 08:11 pm (UTC)
That literally made me cry =(
The Supercalifragilistic Supernovakriziasupernova on March 20th, 2009 08:08 pm (UTC)
I always thought he wasn't a part of the future, but... dead?

Now I'm sad. :(
Kendrakendra_fey on March 24th, 2009 01:14 am (UTC)
Help?
In "The Bracket" (Which re-aired tonight) Ted talks about tedmosbyisajerk.com, and says,

"That website went on to get [some #] hits. Thanks, Barney."

Does that help?
solojonessolojones on March 24th, 2009 07:46 pm (UTC)
You're certainly not the only one to think about this. I was pondering why we never see Future!Barney and it came up at the forums at CBS, too... I do think it's possible Future!Barney is dead, and that makes me extremely sad. Although it might be realistic, I really hope it doesn't turn out to be the case. Barney's the funniest character on the show and if in the end we find out he's dead, it would make re-watching the show just... depressing. I hope they don't do it.

However, I don't think the "hints" about death are really meant to be that. He's just kind of a dark character so that stuff comes up sometimes. But I don't think they're trying to tell us anything concrete.

Honestly, it is weird in-universe that no one ever mentions Barney being in their future. At first it made sense but after the bus accident and all, it seems like they should all be closer to him and realize he will be friends with them for a long time. But maybe not. I think we're getting to a point in the show where everyone might start seeing Barney as a real person with real feelings, especially when his stuff with Robin comes to light for all of them.

I think the practical reason we never see Future!Barney is because the writers don't know yet what happens to him. They're probably trying to keep their options open. They always like to make him the most mysterious character so they can reveal zany things about him they come up with. And I do think Robin hasn't appeared in the future either yet because they aren't quite sure if she ends up with Barney, either.
ef a dumb mel is a dumb: Mah Boyspiney61 on April 5th, 2009 07:19 am (UTC)
I just came across this via googling and I have to say, it's rather morbid but it holds some water.

Let's also not forget the fact that he works in some risky business situations that involve North Korea at some points in time. God only knows what would happen if he slipped up something.

It also makes that Barney in old man makeup in the Intervention episode a little sadder.

I love your whole theories and what not. They make a lot of sense when you think of them. My only current theory is mostly the parallels between the whole meeting the Mother scenario and this song called "Bus Stop"-The Hollies...though I need more work on my theorizing.

nadz: grr. argh.sleepy_orange on April 13th, 2009 11:14 am (UTC)
Oh god. Where do get these ideas?

But the more I think about your theory, the more it actually might be true. GASP! Oh god, I hope it's not true. It would be too depressing for the future to be missing Barney. Imagine how Robin would feel. :(



Miss Mezz: HIMYMRPG - i ship theorysecondmezzanine on June 24th, 2009 08:09 am (UTC)
Phoenix! Somehow I forgot to read this before, and I'm just now getting around to it. I bow down to you, because you are the MASTER of theories! (Also one half of the our beloved Theory, so, there ya go.) You are amazing, and I have nothing intelligent to add, but I love this, and you should probably go into academia. Seriously. They'd love you in grad school.
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